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Wednesday, August 09, 2006

An "Elitist" List of Schools

NZ Immigration uses a points system to assess an applicant's suitability to migrate to NZ. The system awards points to a number of factors. One of which is an applicant's college education. For example, if you have a doctorate or masters degree you get 55 points. A bachelor’s degree gives you 50 points.

However, before you can claim points, the school where you graduated from must be in the list of recognized schools by NZ Immigration. The NZ Immigration website maintains a list of recognized schools in the Philippines.

Here’s the current list they have (as of Aug 2006):

  • Ateneo de Manila University, Manila (1959)
  • De La Salle University, Manila (1911)
  • University of Philippines Diliman (incl. attached regional campuses (colleges at Baguio City, Cebu City, Clark Air Base & Tacloban City)) (1908)
  • University of Philippines Los Banos
  • University of Philippines Manila
  • University of Santo Tomas, Manila
  • Assumption College, Manila
  • Ateneo de Davao University, Davao City
  • Ateneo de Naga College, Naga City
  • Ateneo de Zamboanga College, Zamboanga City
  • Cebu Central Colleges, Cebu City (see University of Cebu)
  • Central Luzon State University, Neuva Ecija
  • Central Philippines University, Iloilo City
  • College of the Holy Spirit of Manila, Manila
  • Divine Word University of Tacloban, Tacloban City
  • Far Eastern University, Manila
  • Mapua Institute of Technology, Manila
  • Maryknoll College Foundation Inc (see Miriam College)
  • Mindanao State University, Marawi City (& General Santos City)
  • Miriam College, Quezon City (formerly Maryknoll College Foundation Inc)
  • Pamanasan ng Lungsod ng Manila, (University of the City of Manila)
  • Pamantasan ng Xavier (Xavier University), Cagayan De Oro
  • Philippines School of Business Administration
  • Phlippines Normal College, Manila
  • Saint Louis University, Baguio City
  • Saint Paul College of Manila, Manila
  • Saint Scholastica's College, Manila
  • Saint Theresa's College, Cebu City
  • San Beda College, Manila
  • Silliman University, Dumaguete City, Negros Oriental
  • University of Cebu (formerly Cebu Central Colleges)
  • University of the City of Manila, (Pamanasan ng Lungsod ng Manila)
  • University of the East, Manila
  • University of the Philippines in the Visayas (Iloilo City)
  • University of San Agustin, Iloilo City
  • University of San Carlos, Cebu City
  • University of San Jose-Recoletos, Cebu City
  • Visayas State College of Agriculture, Leyte
  • Xavier University (Pamantasan ng Xavier), Cagayan De Oro

If your school is not in the list, you can still claim points but in a more difficult way. You have to submit your transcript as well as a prospectus from the school to a NZ agency called NZQA who will then make an assessment and final decision as to how many points you can get. More often than not, it is zero points (I hope people who've gone through NZQA can correct me if I'm wrong). Which means that if your school is not in the list, it's practically sorry for you.

Whatever the case may be, in my opinion, having a list of recognized schools is kinda “elitist”, un-PC (politically correct) in an indirect way. For who can afford to go to the schools listed above? It’s mostly the well-to-do, middle to upper-class I’ld say. Therefore having such a list is tantamount to excluding other Filipinos who graduated from lesser known schools but who may otherwise be just as intelligent, if not more intelligent.

I believe that NZ Immigration can improve their selection process by NOT only limiting applicants from a recognized set of schools. They could do so by granting suitable points to any board-exam passer, or anyone who has passed tests/evaluations given by the national government or reputable private institutions, regardless of the school they graduated from.

For example, the case of computer programmers. The best programmers do not necessarily come from Ateneo, UP, La Salle and the like. In fact, one does not even need a degree to be a good programmer. Mr Gates, was a university drop out, wasn't he?

So instead of recognizing only computer science grads from selected schools, NZ Immigration can give out points also to those who passed certification exams given by Microsoft, Oracle, SAP, Sybase, or a national body such as the National Computer Center (NCC).

I know it’s not a perfect solution because some professions don’t have regulatory board exams. But at least it widens the playing field a bit by providing a window of opportunity for the equally bright but underpriviledged who also have dreams of going to NZ.

Ang kuro-kurong ito ay hatid sa inyo ng "Boy Bawang Kornik" at ng "Jaja's Spicy Longganiza - It's so good, you can taste it all day!"

26 Comments:

  • it's really depressing when the name of your school is not in the list! dito palang sa rule na ito, they (NZ govt) were giving negative output to those who didnt graduated from that Elitist School.

    Tama yung sinabi mo, my friend and i tried it, since her school is not in the list, ang dami nyang kelangan i-produce na papeles, tapos kapag d sila satisfied, pabalik-balikin ka at the end, she got 0/zero/nill/nada/nothing. AS IN!!!

    By Blogger Mmy-Lei, at 8:24 PM, August 09, 2006  

  • unfair talaga ang buhay...marami namang graduated sa kahit di magandang school pero matalino at malaki ang abilidad...paano yong sa ibang province kailangan pa bang makipagsiksikan sa maynila para doon mag aral? pa'no kung can't afford ang family...haaayy buhay!

    By Blogger Unknown, at 12:53 AM, August 10, 2006  

  • I agree with you that it is elitist and politically incorrect to have a list of "acceptable" schools. I wonder how many points they would give if the person graduated from a non-Philippine school? If some person graduated from, say, UC Berkeley, then would he get more than 50 points? Is 50 the ceiling for Philippine schools only? Kung sa Pinas ka nag-BA and then you got a PhD from a foreign school, mas malaki ba sa 55 ang makukuha? Curious lang, for obvious reasons...

    By Blogger Jeruen, at 3:52 AM, August 10, 2006  

  • KU,

    saan makakabili nyang spicy longganisa???

    rene aka raainy

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:56 AM, August 10, 2006  

  • i agree that it's 'elitist' but it's not only the well-to-do(s) that can afford to go to these schools. graduate po ako ng clsu (nueva ecija) at mahirap lang. nag-papasalamat nga kami at nasama sa listahan ang clsu. nabigyan kami ng pagkakataon gaya ng mga ibang graduate sa ibang agricultural universities na makaranas manirahan sa nz. i know there are a lot of bright students but underprivileged working their way through college at clsu. in some way, it is an initiative for them to study here dahil isa pala ito sa mga recognized schools sa nz. hbd ku!!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:40 AM, August 10, 2006  

  • mmy lei,
    in fairness to NZ Immig, dinagdagan nila ang list. used to be yung top 5 universities lang ang kasama.

    idealpinkrose,
    yes i agree unfair. marami din naman good schools sa mga provinces.

    KE,
    i think kaya may list na ganito kasi marami din mga eskwelahan na bigla na lang nagsusulputan at kaliwa't kanan kung magproduce ng graduates na hindi naman talaga mga qualified. kaya sa palagay ko kailangan pa rin na makapasa muna ng state board exam ang isang graduate para mapatunayan na qualified.

    LIW,
    50 ant 55 points ang maximum maging sa ibang bansa. sa ibang bansa may list of recognised schools din.

    raainy,
    actually si esmi ang gumagawa ng longganisa. dati niyang sideline yon. kaya lang ngayon busy na at ayaw nang gumawa.

    pedro,
    i agree, di lahat ng schools na nabanggit mayayaman lang ang nakakapag-aral. maswerte ka at kasama ang CLSU sa list. ang point ko lang may mga iba pang schools na wala sa list. halimbawa na lang yung Guagua National Colleges (GNC) o kaya Angeles University (AU). yung mga taga-pampanga, na di kayang papag-aralin sa maynila ang mga anak, malamang diyan sa dalawang paaralan na yan ipapasok ng mga magulang. sa choice of school pa lang dis-advantaged na ang kanilang mga anak kahit na may potential na mag-top sa mga board exams. yun lang naman ang point ko.

    with a specifed list of schools, there is a presumption (by NZ Immig) that all graduates from the recognized are better than the rest. that in my opinion is elitist (kahit UP Diliman ako graduate).

    By Blogger Ka Uro, at 11:42 AM, August 10, 2006  

  • Uy bkit naman ganun, dapat kung na complete nman nila credentials na kailangan pwede na, wag nmang i discriminate kung anong skul kapa nanggaling basta nagsumikap kang makatapos dba! pero ganyan tlga ang buhay...

    By Blogger lheeanne, at 2:33 PM, August 10, 2006  

  • I was kinda surprised na kasali sa listahan ang aking Alma Mater...

    While I do agree na wala dapat discrimination, hindi rin masisisi ang pamahalaan ng NZ sa patakaran nilang ito, lalo pa't maraming nagkalat na diploma mills sa ating bansa.

    By Blogger Unknown, at 7:16 AM, August 11, 2006  

  • Hi KU, makikisali na din. Siguro dapat gumawa ng paraan ang University na merecognize sila, tulong man lang nila sa mga alumni nila. Halimbawa, ang University Management mismo ang mag submit sa NZ embassy (or other embassies) ng credentials nila para masali sa recognized schools.

    Lyra

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:47 AM, August 11, 2006  

  • TK ad Rhada,
    in fairness nga sa NZ Immig, iniiwasan kasi nga nila ang mga diploma mills. ang isa pa, mas madali para sa kanila ang selection process.

    lyra,
    that's not a bad idea at all. in fact malaking booster yon para sa school na maka-attract ng mga estudyante kung nasa list sila.

    By Blogger Ka Uro, at 10:08 AM, August 11, 2006  

  • Tama ka jan, KU. I'm sorry to say this pero dahil sa hirap ng pagpapa assess sa NZQA eh halos i wish kong sana hindi na ako nakapasok sa school na yun.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:37 AM, August 12, 2006  

  • Hehehe, si KU talaga...libre ad pa si Boy Bawang huh? favorite din yan ng sister Laarni ko na nasa vegas kaya..go global na din si Boy Bawang!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:41 AM, August 12, 2006  

  • kinda sad, really... sort of a discrimination, too. there are other qualifications that should have a weighty consideration aside from the school an applicant had graduated from.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:24 PM, August 13, 2006  

  • Except for the burgis schools, not all the schools listed can be considered "elite" in the true sense of the word. The list is indeed short but the real question is how did the NZ immigration come up with accrediting Pinoy colleges and universities for validating applicants?

    In Canada, you pay $40 for your transcript and diploma to be assessed if you are a Pinoy engineer applying settle in Ontario. The Society of Professional Engineers of Ontario will assess your educational qualifications. The purpose is not to validate your university degree - you already have points for those in the application - but to establish whether you can get a job as a professional engineer, which you will get good points or as a technologist, with slightly lesser points.

    Therefore the starting point for every one is the same. No one cares if you graduated from a burgis or a proletarian university in RP. I can almost say that in the real playing field experience beats education hands down. The way you move up to the top is not because of where you graduated 10 or 15 years ago. You build experience, and experience is real and practical education.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:42 PM, August 13, 2006  

  • "So instead of recognizing only computer science grads from selected schools, NZ Immigration can give out points also to those who passed certification exams given by Microsoft, Oracle, SAP, Sybase, or a national body such as the National Computer Center (NCC)."

    Certification/Recognition on their respective field. Yep makes more sense to me.

    One thing though.. certification is not cheap. 1 Oracle exam costs around 7-8k Php. I took 4 of them that's 28-30k. If your company is a 'partner' of that company you usually get a 30% discount. My ex-company was so I took advantage of that on the 2nd exam onwards.

    By Blogger Senorito<- Ako, at 9:07 AM, August 14, 2006  

  • Shameless plug... KU's site is commercialized na ! hehehe... kidding.

    By Blogger Senorito<- Ako, at 9:09 AM, August 14, 2006  

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    By Blogger Senorito<- Ako, at 9:15 AM, August 14, 2006  

  • hi mama jenn,
    thanks for linking me up. don't know if it's easier to migrate in nz or canada because i'm not familiar with the canadian procedures.

    ezel,
    yun nga ang problem. imagine after finishing 4 ot 5 years of uni, just to find out that what you finished is assessed by NZ as only equivalent to a high school diploma! happened to my sis-in-law.

    angelo,
    thanks for sharing your thoughts. it's true that NZ dream is not for everyone. all i can say is that once you have a WTR, the likelihood of getting a PR is more than 80% at least. also lots of WTRs i know who arrived recently were able to get PRs in less than 6 months.

    KD,
    yaan mo mag-aappeal ako as NZ immigration na isama ang St.Andres Field sa list. :)
    tama rin ang sinabi mo na wala ang IS at Brent sa list. bakit nga kaya?

    dapat nga siguro, gawin ko nang global ang longganiza bisnes. tatanggap na rin ng order by internet.

    bing,
    actually there are. yung grades counted din. you have to have a minimum average bago ka ma-select.

    BW,
    actually yung sinabi mo tungkol sa canada meron din dito. if you did not graduate from any of the listed schools you can send your transcript and diploma to NZQA which is an extra cost. but if you graduate from any of the listed schools you don't need to have your transcript assessed by NZQA, diretcho na sa NZ Immigration.

    i agree that experience is important. whether it beats education, i have second thoughts though. if i was interviewing for a job someone for a senior programmer role, i probably will put more weight to experience. but if i was interviewing for a junior programmer role, i will give more weight to education. so my view on education vs experience is that it depends.


    senor,
    certification exams surely are expensive and hard too. at least they are cheaper than going back to school again.

    about graduates of the exclusive schools being better than those from the provinces, i'll not comment na lang.

    By Blogger Ka Uro, at 11:56 AM, August 14, 2006  

  • You are right - senior and junior jobs have different hiring criteria.

    In a country like Canada where there is an acknowledged shortage of computer professionals and engineers, experience weighs a lot. Most companies here do not anticipate a long learning curve for their employees. It is unfair for their new graduates because , unless a company has some kind of an intership program, it is difficult to get new grads on board except for scientific and theoretical software development jobs.

    At one point, the Canadian Immigration passed a bill that a software application developer can enter the country within 6 months upon applying
    for an independent immigration visa.
    THe need is urgent if not critical.

    The first thing companies will look ask an applicant is - what have you done in your previous jobs and what can you do for us? We have interviewed candidates with a litany of certifications ( esp from South asian countries) but without relevant working experience in the field, it is like taking a risk . Companies here are very shrewd. I guess it is just the nature of their culture, that they want an immediate return on their investment whenever possible.

    Add to the fact that we get calls from headhunters luring us to move to the U.S. Because of the NAFTA free trade agreement, working visas are now issed at the airport of departure. IT jobs are extremely competitive and if you move around as a free lance consultant or permanent staff you're as good as a mercenary, getting paid commenusrate to your track record.

    To those who have suffered the stigma of elitism in our school system back in Pinas, come to North America and start your life devoid of the wretched biases of our culture. Here they will pay you for what you know and not what school you came from. No longer will you be shamelessly shooed off by security guards at the application room because you did not graduate from the elite schools. Elitism was introduced by the Spaniards and we inherited this curse and even made it worse. It used to be that the public school system was OUR system but then the elite, upper middle class started creating schools only their children can go to. The only reason why people enrol in Ateneo and La Salle is because they have the money to pay.

    I am not in any way disrespecting the immigration policies of Australia and New Zealand. They are fine and progessive countries whose policies reflect their distinct way of managing their own system.

    Thanks for the opportunity for expressing my concerens in your blog Ka Uro. You have a fine blog bro.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:54 PM, August 14, 2006  

  • binura ko na lang.. mahirap na.. hehehe..

    By Blogger Senorito<- Ako, at 2:27 PM, August 14, 2006  

  • Hi everyone!

    I agree with Ka Uro na medyo elitista nga ang list ng schools ng NZ at medyo disheartening nga na malaman na after all those years na nag aral ka eh biglang high school equivalent ka lang pala. Pero hindi ko naman nakikitang masama ang intensiyon ng NZ dito. Siyempre they only wanted the best to come to their land kaya may listahan sila ng mga schools na alam nila ay nakapag poproduce ng mga taong hinahanap nila. Hindi naman ibig sabihin na elite eh pera ang usapan. It could be na elite in terms of intellect or academic excellence. Siguro kung gusto ng school mapabilang sa list na ito they would have to make the initiative to prove to assessing institutions na ang kanilang school ay magaling. It's not our fault.

    Tungkol naman sa IT certification dapat nga i recognize nila ang mga certificates na issued ng microsoft, oracle at iba pa. Sino bang best makapagsasabi kung sino ang qualified? hindi ba sila kasi sila nag gumawa noon? :D

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:25 PM, August 14, 2006  

  • BW,
    appreciate your comments. learned a few things from them.

    senor,
    hehe. takot ka no?

    ajdubai,
    i agree, na dapat gumawa ng initiative ang ibang schools. i think madali lang naman. they can send a prospectus of the courses they are offering para ma-assess ng NZ how it compares with NZ standards.

    By Blogger Ka Uro, at 11:10 AM, August 15, 2006  

  • Angelo,

    I agree doon sa sinabi mo na parang hindi sulit ang WTR lang i you do not have a job offer. Nakakadismaya kasing isipin na after going through all the hardship 6 months lang ang chance mo. Pero isipin natin na ang prosesong ito at para sa NZs to benefit from ayaw nila makakuha ng tao na may bloated ego or qualified pero ayaw na mag work. Kung may job offer ka nga naman before you apply it says something about that person. Pero tama ka doon it would be a waste kung todo effort mo tapos 6 months lang ang kapalit, pero intead of ranting about it ang ginawa ko naghanap ako ng work via internet pumunta ako ng NZ at inalam ko nga kung gusto ko talaga doon. Eh gusto ko nga :D so ngayon nag send na ko ng EOI at naghahanap ng work sa NZ by net. Hindi mataas ang puntos ko pero I am determined to get a JO para makapunta sa NZ.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:43 PM, August 16, 2006  

  • Hi KU,

    Maganda itong usapan na-enganyo akong maki sabat. Actually nung una kong nalaman na wala sa list of school ang aking alma mater pati na rin ang kay misis ay na dismaya ako, imagine PUP a century old educational institution wala sa list???? tapos ma babasa mo ang mga school sa province na first time mo lang na-rinig or na basa ay naroon (no offense sa mga grad doon) so no choice kami kundi dumaan sa NZQA assessment.

    Inassess ang misis ko na graduate ng PUP ng NZQA as level 7 ibig sabihin ay ang pinag-aralan nya ay ka level din ng bachelors degree graduate ng NZ educ. standard, so diba ibigsabihin ang PUP ay kalidad na paaralan dahil level-7 ang assessment nila sa misis ko...so diba dapat lamang na isama na nila sa list of recognized school ng NZQA ang PUP? para yung mga kaklase ng misis ko ay hindi na mag pa assess dahil iisa din lang ang kakalabasa ng iaa-ssess nilang school which is PUP. Ex. they assess 1,000 people from PUP edi paulit-uli lang ang ginagawa nila diba? di pa ba sila natuto na ok ang school na ito?

    So kung na kukuha nyo ang punto ko hindi na kailangang mag submit ang school ng credential sa NZIS nila sa mga sinusubmit pa lang ng mga graduates regarding their prospectus, transcript etc. ay ma ga-guage na nila ang kalidad ng school...lalu na kung marami ang nakaka level-7 sa school na yun..... funny thing is depende sa evaluator yata because some PUP grad ay hindi nakakakuha ng level-7... baka naman grade ang binabasehan nila... at hindi ang school pag wala sa list...gulo ano?

    To make it clear pala ang minimum level upang maka 50 points sa NZIS ka ay Level-5 which is a Diploma equivalent kung master or PHD ka pede kang maka 55, but to be fair sa NZIS maging sa US ay merun din silang list of schools at yung wala ay kailangang mag pa-assess kahit sa amerika ka pa nag aral, i suggest i guage nila ang school for their years of operation let say dapat ang school ay at least 20 years na in service to avoid a fly by night schools.


    I agree na dapat i recognized ang mga certification from vendors like microsoft, cisco, oracle etc. Oz is doing this as well as recognition of workexperienec kahit dika tapos they call this RPL - Recognition of Prior Learning... but did you know that recognizing certification from vendors is also a form of "elitist"? Why? for example to get MCSE certificaton from microsoft will cost you around 100-150k sa exam fees at review clasess na unreasonably expensive, noon ko pa gustong makakuha pero diko ma afford before, but i can say even i'm not certified i can be better or at par with one on skills.

    Oo nga unreasonable to apply for WTR if it is valid only for 6 months though we're lucky kasi we will be getting 2 years, luckly my wife and i are in IT so more chance to get PR as soon as possible when we finally landed in NZ.

    Lastly Brent and IS doesn't offer college, NZIS only assess tertiary qualifications.

    Mabuhay ka KU,

    Kabayan

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:52 AM, August 19, 2006  

  • I never considered the list as a form of elitism. In fact, most of the schools listed are from the provinces, and hence cater to all socio-economic demographic profiles in the Philippines (low class, middle class and high class families).

    Actually, a lot of students studying in the so-called TOP 3 universities (UP, DLSU, and ADMU) graduated from public high schools on some form of scholarship programs or financial aids schemes. I for one graduated from an unknown public high school in Mindanao. I graduated Valedictorian twice (High school and Elementary) and was offered a competitive scholarship in DLSU. In fact, my family lived in one of the poorest community in the Barrio where I grew up. But because of persistence, diligence, determination and ambition, I was able to work my way up the ladder by means of excelling in academics. Hence I'm very grateful for such recognition that DLSU has given me. They gave me everything that I needed for my education in college; and to fulfill my dream of studying in this prestigious university (which served as my stepping stone to draw away my family from poverty).

    Lesson learned: don't USE poverty as an excuse as a hindrance to study in the TOP universities in the Philippines. In fact they are very generous and are pouring in scholarships to deserving poor high achieving students.

    I think the list is a rightful recognition of excellence in education that these schools offer. More so, it provides a high degree of implication that graduates from these universities or institutions are offered quality tertiary education giving them a competitive edge in terms of experience and education privileges (mentored by top caliber professors in the country). Also, graduates of these institutions have been tested time and time again through their successes in the board exams as well as in their professional careers.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:22 AM, November 01, 2008  

  • Im glad Xavier university represents cagayan de oro. they deserve it because the quality of education they offer es really good.

    By Anonymous cagayan de oro schools, at 6:46 PM, August 05, 2010  

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